man of steel
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shaller034
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 08, 10, 07:18 » |
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man of steel- either you are BA, related to him, or Big Ben. no need for you to throw your garbage all over this site. i got a better article for you... http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_660822.html 3rd down efficiency, red zone offense- yeah BA is great! thank God you're not on the steeler coaching staff. the team would be more of a mess than it already is. |
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shaller034
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 08, 10, 07:28 » |
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and ron cook says ben is in the top 2 QB's in the league... hahahahaha... he has no arm, can't read blitzing schemes very well, is horrible in the red zone (how many times did he take 15+yard sacks to get out of field goal range?)... to even suggest he's in the top 2 QB's in the league causes cook to lose all his credit. that's a freakin hysterical column. in no specific order, IMO brady, peyton, brees, farve, even possibly mcnabb and rivers are all better QB's than ben. don't give me the "he has two SB rings" crap. the only thing he did to earn those rings was on that final drive to holmes. all last year our D bailed out our pathetic offense. in '05 we won the SB because ben "managed" the game just enough to give us a shot. the defense was the real hero.
and in addition that article already shows the ben is a pre-madona and would whine if BA was let go. again who's running this organization? it sure isn't tomlin. we need dan rooney to come back and smack some sense into ben before his head can't fit into heinz field.
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FireArians
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 08, 10, 09:07 » |
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Let's breakdown the erroneousness of this article
"The top 10 rushing teams were the New York Jets, Tennessee, Carolina, Miami, Baltimore, New Orleans, Dallas, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Jacksonville. Only New Orleans and Dallas from that group would appear to be capable of winning the title."
-- Correct, because it takes a both running and passing to win a championship; not a QB running around throwing DEs and LBs to the ground to make a big play!
"Do those people really believe it was Arians' fault that the Steelers blew five fourth-quarter leads in losses this season?"
--Um YES!
-- The offense only averaged 16.7 points in those games
-- The defense only gave up 17.7 points in the 7 losses
-- The offense gave up a pick-6 against the Bengals
-- The offense only scored 2 FGs against Cleveland; Cleveland! UGH!!
The idiot reporter, or lazy reporter, doesn't do his job of digging into the problem. He sounds like another idiot fan who's blinded by the glare of the 4000+ yds of passing.
I reiterate the offensive ranks and will provide further proof over the weekend:
7th Offense overall
12th points scored (Worse than Baltimore)
17th 3rd down conversion (Worse than Washington)
19th Rush Offense (Worse than Buffalo; slightly better than the Rams ans Raiders)
20th Rush TDs (Worse than Browns)
22nd Red Zone offense (Worse than Jets and Chiefs)
FIRE ARIANS!
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shaller034
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 08, 10, 09:37 » |
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could agree more FireArians. great post!
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 08, 10, 09:37 » |
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shaller034
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 08, 10, 09:38 » |
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typo- meant couldn't agree more.
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man of steel
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 08, 10, 12:50 » |
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OK, i grant you the Cleveland game was hard to fathom. Still, when have the Steelers ever had a prolific offense? When the D puts 8 in the box, you have to pass to keep them honest. This O was very balanced between the run and pass. Overall, one of the Steelrs' better offensive years. Agree there are things that need fixed, especially in the Heinz Red Zone. Let's breakdown the erroneousness of this article
"The top 10 rushing teams were the New York Jets, Tennessee, Carolina, Miami, Baltimore, New Orleans, Dallas, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Jacksonville. Only New Orleans and Dallas from that group would appear to be capable of winning the title."
-- Correct, because it takes a both running and passing to win a championship; not a QB running around throwing DEs and LBs to the ground to make a big play!
"Do those people really believe it was Arians' fault that the Steelers blew five fourth-quarter leads in losses this season?"
--Um YES!
-- The offense only averaged 16.7 points in those games
-- The defense only gave up 17.7 points in the 7 losses
-- The offense gave up a pick-6 against the Bengals
-- The offense only scored 2 FGs against Cleveland; Cleveland! UGH!!
The idiot reporter, or lazy reporter, doesn't do his job of digging into the problem. He sounds like another idiot fan who's blinded by the glare of the 4000+ yds of passing.
I reiterate the offensive ranks and will provide further proof over the weekend:
7th Offense overall
12th points scored (Worse than Baltimore)
17th 3rd down conversion (Worse than Washington)
19th Rush Offense (Worse than Buffalo; slightly better than the Rams ans Raiders)
20th Rush TDs (Worse than Browns)
22nd Red Zone offense (Worse than Jets and Chiefs)
FIRE ARIANS!
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uhauldriver
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 08, 10, 13:49 » |
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man of steel: i read this junk the other day on the post website, and i can see the stretch marks around cooks mouth from here! i have to agree with others, either you are bruce "i dont know why that play didnt get 6 yards, its designed for 3" arians. or you just dont know much about football, either way, why dont you leave this site for the big boys! stick with something you know, like, i dont know, ping pong? |
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LameDuck
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 09, 10, 00:04 » |
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and ron cook says ben is in the top 2 QB's in the league... hahahahaha... he has no arm, can't read blitzing schemes very well, is horrible in the red zone (how many times did he take 15+yard sacks to get out of field goal range?)... to even suggest he's in the top 2 QB's in the league causes cook to lose all his credit. that's a freakin hysterical column. in no specific order, IMO brady, peyton, brees, farve, even possibly mcnabb and rivers are all better QB's than ben. don't give me the "he has two SB rings" crap. the only thing he did to earn those rings was on that final drive to holmes. all last year our D bailed out our pathetic offense. in '05 we won the SB because ben "managed" the game just enough to give us a shot. the defense was the real hero.
and in addition that article already shows the ben is a pre-madona and would whine if BA was let go. again who's running this organization? it sure isn't tomlin. we need dan rooney to come back and smack some sense into ben before his head can't fit into heinz field.
I think the offense would have been much better with a level headed offensive coordinator at the helm. Think back to the 15 yard sacks that took us out of FG range. Arians went empty set and told everyone to run for the endzone. The opposing defenses brought the house!  Idiot.... We have almost no underneath routes or slant patterns to get the ball out quick and how long has it been since anyone has seen the 2 tight-end set we built off of. Put 2 blocking tightends in at each end of the line, or maybe Miller and Ward. And then put Wallace and Holmes as the outside guys for a deepball threat. Ward and Miller can take underneath routes and it would help immensely to be able to run from the same formation with extra guys blocking on the line. Oh yeah, and what type of offense doesn't use a fullback?! Even Indy knows they need one. Come on, the guy needs to go. Maybe Tomlin smacked his fat ass around a bit and told him to run the ball better and more often in their heart-to-heart where Tomlin said he keeps his job. Who knows what kind of season Mendy could have have with a better balanced offense and more opportunities.  Plus the article was idiocricy, lol. Besides Arians didn't call the game winning drive, as I recall they went no huddle and called the plays at the line. So, unless Arians wears a #7 and plays for the Steelers he didn't produce the Superbowl winning drive. |
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troypo43
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 11, 10, 09:19 » |
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Its this simple to me as I bleed out black and gold after watching Baltimore & the Jets (two teams we are better than) win this weekend: the sight of Bruce Arians makes me choke on my own vomit. The idea that I might have to watch that clueless idiot stare blankly at his "iHop" menu of ridiculous plays 16 times next year makes me choke on my own vomit. The very idea that Mike Tomlin is considering keeping him at all makes me want to jump from the highest peak...
Please Uncle Mike, put the poor bastard out of his misery so some crappy team like St. Louis will hire him as the second coming of Mike Martz...
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 11, 10, 09:19 » |
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 11, 10, 09:28 » |
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If I saw the games correctly, I believe that all teams who won on Wildcard weekend, were the teams who could run the ball better, either by season stats (Jets, Cowboys, Ravens), or just by the fact that they have recently committed more emphasis to their run than in the past (Cardinals).
Crazy. Just crazy. Can you imagine? Teams who run the ball better, and who are more committed to the run, get into the playoffs, and win playoff games! Even if a rookie Mark Sanchez is your QB. That is crazy. And I don't think any QB's got concussed. Even McNabb without his center was only sacked 4 times, and they did not try to establish the run enough anyway, and that is probably why they lost. Even the amazing Tom Brady and Bilichick could not overcome the inability to run.
I sure hope Tomlin, Ben, and Arians were watching. Gotta wonder what the front office of the Steelers was thinking while they watched all those run teams win, after they supposedly asked Tomlin to fire Arians (according to Jim Wexell). I hope they go to Tomlin again and reiterate their wishes for Arians to be gone.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 16, 10, 17:29 » |
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You morons would not know a cover two if you tripped over it.
I can't believe some of the garbage i have read so far. First of all I highly doubt man of steel is BA, mainly because BA wouldn't waste his time reading this garbage.
Have ANY of you ever coached a game above pee wee? The game of professional football is so far over your heads that you cant even see it.
It is true we struggled on offense this year, but what about the DEFENSE AND SPECIAL TEAMS!?!?! You asshats are crucifying the same man who took you to the superbowl twice. And guess what,WE WON THE SUPERBOWL, TWICE!
The other thing you clowns on this site don't realize is that the offense is just as much of a reflection of BA as it is of the rest of the offense. Dont you guys think that Ben is changing play at the line? Is it BA's fault when routes are well defended, Ben tries to create and gets sacked? Of course not. The offense success or failure rides on EXECUTION just as much as play calling.
When someone on this site wins a SUPERBOWL or even wins a game as a coach, then throw a stone.
Go ahead and flame away, call me what you may. But the fact of the matter is that the success or failure of a team is not a direct result of a single person. THAT IS WHY ITS CALLED A TEAM.
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LameDuck
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 16, 10, 23:27 » |
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You morons would not know a cover two if you tripped over it.
I can't believe some of the garbage i have read so far. First of all I highly doubt man of steel is BA, mainly because BA wouldn't waste his time reading this garbage.
Have ANY of you ever coached a game above pee wee? The game of professional football is so far over your heads that you cant even see it.
It is true we struggled on offense this year, but what about the DEFENSE AND SPECIAL TEAMS!?!?! You asshats are crucifying the same man who took you to the superbowl twice. And guess what,WE WON THE SUPERBOWL, TWICE!
The other thing you clowns on this site don't realize is that the offense is just as much of a reflection of BA as it is of the rest of the offense. Dont you guys think that Ben is changing play at the line? Is it BA's fault when routes are well defended, Ben tries to create and gets sacked? Of course not. The offense success or failure rides on EXECUTION just as much as play calling.
When someone on this site wins a SUPERBOWL or even wins a game as a coach, then throw a stone.
Go ahead and flame away, call me what you may. But the fact of the matter is that the success or failure of a team is not a direct result of a single person. THAT IS WHY ITS CALLED A TEAM.
I won't call you anything, but since when did Wide receivers coaches or offensive coordinators take a team to the superbowl? Let alone win it for the team. Oh I guess since Bruce Arians held those positions for the Steelers. Yes, we all know special teams was horrendous. The defense was gassed at the 4th quarter in near every game. I for one am not blaming the losses on Bruce Arians, just stating we could have done better under a more creative coordinator. We had two excellent running backs that could have been better utilized in the second half of the season (when Parker was healthy). We also have a quarterback that can run as well as he can throw and a WR that used to play quarterback in college. We could have used them plenty of times to keep defenses guessing. I know execution is another contributing factor but empty set on third and one isn't really giving the offense a chance. We had the worst 3rd down conversion rate I've seen in a while. Thats because even on 3rd and short it was either empty set or shotgun and we almost never run a draw. When there isn't a threat to run the ball the cornerbacks can just bump the WR's as much as they want playing off the line. Another thing I would have like to see is a real screen. Not call hike and throw the ball down the line, let the defenders come at Ben and let him throw a screen out to any of their receiving corps. Its not like they'd be surprised they got a free rush at the quarterback, it happens most of the time anyway. But, I agree with you that we don't coach in the NFL and its not Bruce Arians fault we lost (except in Cleveland). The team needed to execute but, if they ran more and kept the defense honest, executing would have been easier, don't you agree? |
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 21, 10, 18:43 » |
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You morons would not know a cover two if you tripped over it.
I can't believe some of the garbage i have read so far. First of all I highly doubt man of steel is BA, mainly because BA wouldn't waste his time reading this garbage.
Have ANY of you ever coached a game above pee wee? The game of professional football is so far over your heads that you cant even see it.
It is true we struggled on offense this year, but what about the DEFENSE AND SPECIAL TEAMS!?!?! You asshats are crucifying the same man who took you to the superbowl twice. And guess what,WE WON THE SUPERBOWL, TWICE!
The other thing you clowns on this site don't realize is that the offense is just as much of a reflection of BA as it is of the rest of the offense. Dont you guys think that Ben is changing play at the line? Is it BA's fault when routes are well defended, Ben tries to create and gets sacked? Of course not. The offense success or failure rides on EXECUTION just as much as play calling.
When someone on this site wins a SUPERBOWL or even wins a game as a coach, then throw a stone.
Go ahead and flame away, call me what you may. But the fact of the matter is that the success or failure of a team is not a direct result of a single person. THAT IS WHY ITS CALLED A TEAM.
1st - Arians was a WR coach during the first Super Bowl which you are referring. You can stay blind to the incompetence of BA all you want. We have stated our position and have backed it with solid facts; we have made our plea and hope the Steelers mgmt hears our cries. At this point, I am content to let Arians prove, for a 4th year, he is incapable of running an NFL offense. We will compare his 2010 stats to the 3 previous and show once again the erratic changes year over year. If you haven't read my other posts, please review BA's stats below and see how erratic the offensive ranks change year over year. Just another year of the same. Arians Offense 2009: 7th overall (Total Yds) 12th points scored (Worse than Baltimore) 17th 3rd down conversion 39% (Worse than Washington) 5th 4th Down conversion 9th Pass Offense (Total Passing Yds) 7th Pass TDs 19th Rush Offense (Worse than Buffalo; slightly better than the Rams and Raiders) 20th Rush TDs (Worse than Browns) 22nd Red Zone Scoring (Worse than Jets and Chiefs) 16th Penalty Yards (Worse than Det, Was, TB, Cle, KC) 3rd Time of Possesion (32:52) Arians Offense 2008: 22nd overall (Total Yds) 20th in points scored 14th 3rd down conversion (41%) 32nd 4th down conversion 17th Pass offense 18th Passing TDs 23rd Rush offense 11th Rush TDs 13th Red Zone scoring 25th Penalty Yards 6th Time of Possesion (33:19) Arians Offense 2007: 17th overall (Total Yds) 9th Points scored 3rd 3rd down conversion (47%) 11th 4th down conversion 9th Passing Offense 12th Passing TDs 3rd Rush Offense 22nd Rush TDs ?? Red Zone Offense 11th Penalty yards 1st Time of Possesion (33:29) |
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